015: Healing the Whole Person: Michelle Davies on Osteopathy, Bio-Frequency, and Mind-Body Wellness
Speaker 1
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Welcome back to Real Food Mental Health with Cody Cox. Today's guest is Michele Davies and she was
a real delight to talk to. She's doing a lot of wonderful things. You'll hear about some of them in today's
episode. But she is an internationally recognized healer in osteopathy and a health coach. Her journey has
been one of transcending the labels and titles that have defined her since the age of 13, breaking free
from limitations to uncover her true purpose. With over 27 years of experience, Michelle empowers
individuals to take ownership of their pain and transform their lives through a blend of clinical
diagnostics, hands on techniques, and spiritual connection. As the author of Miracle Worker and Mental
Clarity, her mission is to inspire others to rise above the roles imposed on them, align with their divine
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Welcome to the Real Food Mental Health podcast, where we explore the powerful connection between
mental and physical health. My name is Cody Cox, a holistic nutritional psychotherapist, and I'm here to
guide you on a journey to true wellness, mind, body, and spirit. If you're tired of quick fixes and want
real solutions that address the root cause, you're in the right place. Let's get started on your path to lasting
wellness. Welcome back to Real Food Mental Health with Kody Cox. Today we have Michelle Davies.
Welcome Michelle.
Speaker 2
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Thank you for having me I'm really excited to be here with you Cody.
Speaker 1
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So you're a former osteopath. Would you mind sharing a little bit about your journey and what kind of
experience you've had that led you to where you are now?
Speaker 2
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I trained as an osteopath in 1997 and actually I graduated in 97. I started the training in 1994 when I was
18, and it was a four year degree course in osteopathy. I knew from when I was 13 that I wanted to do
something to help people empower people, but it needed to be natural in natural medicine because I was
brought up by my mum being a healer and my auntie being a healer, and my great grandma being a
healer. So for me, I was raised on remedies and reflexology and healing. So I wanted to I wanted to also
have the experience of a degree though I wanted I wanted the fun of university, and there wasn't a great
deal of choice because it needed to be natural and a degree. So it was either being a chiropractor or an
osteopath, and I chose osteopathy. So I trained then when I was 18, and I've been in private practice, um,
practicing osteopathy since then, I haven't, um, I've just I've had my practices. I'm now practicing in
London, which is, um, a new venture, being in Harley Street. But my practice has always been in
Bromyard and Herefordshire, so it's just serving my local community. Um, really up until perhaps the lastthis year, last year, 2024, and now my work has become more international and, uh, treating people from,
I think, every county really in the United Kingdom. So my reach is much, much greater now.
Speaker 1
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And so for listeners who aren't familiar, what is osteopathy?
Speaker 2
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Osteopathy is an art. It's a science and it's a philosophy. It dates back to 1874. The founder of osteopathy
was actually a doctor and a surgeon. But at that time, the surgery and the drugs they were using were
they were experimenting, were killing more people than helping. For example, they didn't have
anesthetics, they didn't have pharmaceutical drugs. So the osteopath and the founder was actually helping
to cure people from pneumonia, meningitis, and wasn't really so much back pain as it's perhaps known to
most people that osteopaths practice osteopathy and they treat back pain. But actually the history of it is
that it? It was about treating illness and treating disease. It's only really known now that it's more
musculoskeletal. Mechanical. We treat all ages, or particularly I do. Not every not everyone practises the
same way that I practice, but I work with babies from 1 or 2 days old or young, I should say, and through
to the elderly with arthritis and I treat. Every and any condition that someone has got. So it doesn't matter
if that patient has got cancer or epilepsy, or is suicidal, or has chronic back pain, or an arthritic knee or
foot issue, or maybe vertigo or insomnia. So it's it's a wide range of symptoms that I help with. And that's
mainly because osteopathy is about treating the whole person. And it's about, um, treating the structure of
the person, which then improves their function. So their, their, um, the way they live their life improves
as a result of checking their posture, the mechanics of their body circulation and drainage and removing
inflammation. Yeah. And I think some people would say, oh, well, that's that's out of scope of practice
for some practitioners to, to focus on so many things. We have to specialize. At least that's how it is over
here in the US. They are pushing us clinicians to specialize. But the value in holistic health is we
recognize how everything is interconnected. Yes.
Speaker 1
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health?
And and I know you also focus on, on mental health or brain health too. How does that tie into physical
Speaker 2
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Yes. So I, I am free of a regulator. I'm not regulated. I'm not registered. I don't actually have a title
anymore. So I, I've been practicing, uh, free. And, uh, I would say sovereign since October 2021. So my
life as an osteopath until October 2021 was very different to the life. My professional life now is very
different because I'm not restricted and I'm not gagged because I had duct tape across my lips for a very
long time, and I've removed the duct tape off my lips, which means that I can speak freely to you tonight
about, um, the conditions that I treat. But if I was an osteopath, I wouldn't be able to talk to you as freely
as I as I can do. So the work I do, um, now with mental health, I work with a lot of people that suffer
anxiety, depression, psychosis. A self-harming, suicidal and addictions. Now, as an osteopath, they none
of those things are on the list of the conditions that we say we can treat. So just so that your listeners
know that a traditional osteopath in the UK can not say any of these. Um, this list I'm saying to you now.
Um, and it's because there isn't evidence, you know, there's not a scientific proof that says that we can
that we can treat those things. So the Advertising Standards Authority have restricted the scope just to be
able to comply then with that scope of practice. You're not allowed to say those things, but I treat, um,
using the same methods that I graduated with in 1997. One of them is the cranial osteopathy. Cranial
osteopathy is about treating the nervous system. So treating the cerebrospinal fluid which bathes the
brain, the spinal cord and all of the nerves. And we are taught that at undergraduate level for two years ofthe four year training, but even at the end of the four years. It's difficult to know what you're doing with it
because you haven't had enough practice and you're only really just getting to the start of. Am I feeling
the right thing? And now what do I do with it? So a lot of a lot of osteopaths drop it as a technique
because it's really difficult. And it is it's easier to, um, use all the other tools that you've just learned in the
last four years, the manipulation and the massage and the stretching and balancing. And it's it's just easier
to perhaps use those skills and not necessarily then keep on plowing away and keep on trying to
understand this cranial sacral system. So for me, I started to just use that cranial sacral osteopathy on, on
every patient that I would kind of come into my practice. And even if it was just five minutes at the
beginning, I just started to use it. And now it's very easy for me to place my hands on someone. And
within 30s or a minute, I know what's wrong, I know what's going on because I can connect with the
body much better because of the years experience I've had. So working with the cranial sacral system
enables me to help the brain heal so I can detect concussion, brain injury. Um, I can detect trauma to the
head, whether that's actually a concussion or just a bang to the head. Um, and by using my hands only,
um, I'm able to then engage with the, with the fluid flow and let's say, manipulate it, but it's more about
working with it, not against it, but also trying to encourage it to move into an area where it's not moving,
where there's a blockage, because often where the blockage is, is the key to that, that, um, patient getting
better.
Speaker 1
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Really interesting. I actually I got cranio sacral therapy myself from a massage therapist, so. So in the US
it's typically massage therapists or chiropractors who practice cranial sacral therapy. But I've always been
curious what's the science behind it? How does that play a role into mental health. So you said that you're
able to detect concussions or or brain injuries. How how can you do that using cranial sacral techniques?
Speaker 2
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Part of it is the training and part of it is being gifted, and part of it is being spiritually connected. So, um,
I imagine that there aren't very many studies out there that you could look at and find the evidence of it
working. There are some studies. For example, it's used to treat, um, digestive problems in infants. They
they have been able to do that study and they've they've used, um, cranial sacral therapy or osteopathy in
hospital settings where you've got premature babies and it's shown that it increases their oxygen. Um, so
there are there are some studies like that they're limited because they're so expensive. And it's very
difficult then to find the number of patients that would undergo perhaps the placebo trials, um, you know,
not treating and treating some of the patients. There's a that's a dilemma. Um, but it's the time and the
expense, which is a problem. And there really there really isn't any money in provide in providing those,
um, those scientific studies either. It's not going to really make the pharmaceutical industry any money.
And I was treating a little baby recently or a child recently. And that was interesting because her their
daughter, they are actually measuring the oxygen levels of the child because she's prone to epileptic fits.
And what was really interesting is that she reported to me that after the treatments with me, the child's
oxygen levels had improved, so the child's oxygen would be 95, 96 out of 100, and it was up to 98 out of
100 with my treatments. And it's with my treatments, we've been able to maintain that as well. And these
are just these are just 15 minute appointments as well, not long treatments. And I've only really seen her a
few times as well. Um, but so it's I can only really talk from my own experience and seeing the results of
treatment in my own practice over 27 years and the over 55,000 consultations that I've been able to help
people recover from all sorts of things. And I just we know it works because of the miracles that happen
within a very short space of time. So I could be treating someone who has been in a psychiatric hospital.
They've been in for months, maybe 5 or 6 months. They are fully medicated. And the medical profession
aren't sure now what to do with them because they've tried everything. Yet the child. Usually these are
young children I'm treating. The child is still suicidal, still having dreadful suicidal ideation or suicidal
thoughts. They're hearing voices that the voices are telling them to hurt themselves. And, um, one
particular recent case she recovered in two treatments with me. And it was up until that point there was
no improvement with her. And then after the second treatment, she hasn't once attempted on her life, and
she was trying to take her life by strangling. Um, and the parents brought her to me because they didn'tknow what else to do. The daughter was desperately wanting help. Um, and they'd heard me actually on a
podcast, and they just reached out to me to see if I could help. And with her, I detected a concussion. And
we worked out that she'd banged her head on a trampoline. I think when she was about nine. And that
was the catalyst. So the concussion to me feels like, um, no vibration. It's like, um, a depletion of energy.
There's virtually no movement in the tissues. It's very dense. Um, and it's around particular areas where
I'm feeling. Um, and then by changing that, that energy within the tissues that I'm palpating, that's when
then the relief comes. So then when she came to me, then on the third appointment. She bounced in the
room. She didn't stop talking for the appointment time. She was so joyful. She had color in her skin. Her
hair looked shiny. It was just like. This is not the same girl that I saw just a few weeks ago. Um. And she
was able to tell me that the voices had stopped. She wasn't hearing the voices anymore. Um. Or they'd
got quieter, and then they than they disappeared. And now she's at university. She's studying. She's
moved out of home. I mean, her parents were looking after her 24 over seven because they didn't know
what she would do next. And she's actually moved out of home. And I keep in touch with her. I feel like
her godmother. Um. And she's great. She is just amazing. So I suppose a lot of these people don't need
science. They're so, um. They're in such a in such a way where they have tried everything and they're
willing to try. Um. Whether there's science or not. I think because of the testimonials, the anecdotal
evidence that I've got is enough for some people, but it isn't for everyone. Um. And depends, I think, on
how open you are to try something that perhaps isn't scientific because also I, I work very, I would say
spiritually. So I'm not I know that I'm not just working with the physical body. I'm working with the
spiritual side of someone. So I'm working immensely emotionally, spiritually and physically when I'm
working.
Speaker 1
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And that's why I'm excited to have you on the show, because I feel like a lot, a lot of us, uh,
psychotherapists included, we tend to hyper focus on the physical, even if we're not addressing the
biological side of mental illness, we're still focused on on what we can see, what we can feel physically.
And so it sounds like with cranial sacral techniques that you're using, you do have to have a certain level
of spiritual attunement or intuition. And I was thinking too, about how in my experience as a
psychotherapist, I can't say that I became a therapist simply by going to school. It was through
experience, and I still feel like I have a long way to go to become more spiritually in-tune, at least in that
respect with mental health. But it's through experience and actually seeing people working with people
that I became a therapist. And so that's why I'm not so particular about having certain guests who have
degrees or clinical licenses, because I do recognize that the experience is far more valuable than, than
simply the the credentials that a person might have.
Speaker 2
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Yes, you're absolutely right. Because there could be there could be an osteopath who's got a master's
degree and a PhD, but they might not be very good at helping someone get better because or for one, they
might not even love the work that they're doing. They might not put their whole self into into helping the
person. Um, they may well have their own issues going on. It's, um. I think the reason that I connect so
well and gets miraculous results with people. There's a lot to that. It's not just me applying some
techniques that I've learned. I've been on a journey myself spiritually, and I've done a lot of self-
development over the last, um, 27 years. And I do walk the talk. So every piece of advice I give to a
patient, I'm already practicing that myself. I prioritize my health and, um, all every decision I make is for
the for the my higher good so that I'm able to help people. I don't have any issues myself. Nothing. Um,
so my health is 100%. So when I come to my treatment room, I am fully there, fully present. I can give
100% of myself, and that patient is not going to take anything from me. I can give as much, but I they
don't take from me. So at the end of an appointment, I'm fully, fully refreshed for the next patient. And
that counts for a lot as well because I don't have any health issues. So when I'm working, I don't have any
stress or pain or illness. Um, I have treatments regularly myself so that I am fit and able, but I don't
smoke and I don't drink, and I don't eat sweets, and I don't really eat processed foods, and I exercise, and
I drink water, and I take supplements. And the things that I suggest to patients I follow, and I buy preyand I use bio frequency healing on myself as well. So I think, um, and I combat fear and anxiety. You
know, I, I go through something that may feel uncomfortable, um, and lots of things that have helped me
to be stronger, more resilient, a better person, um, so that I can help more people. So I think there's I
think that comes into it.
Speaker 1
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And I think that's important to I think the best practitioners are those who practice what they preach. And
I did yoga teacher training in India, and they taught us that too. They said, if you're going to be teaching
yoga, you need to be practicing it at least three times a week yourself, because you can't be a good
teacher unless you have a personal practice.
Speaker 2
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No. It's like if you wanted financial advice, you are not going to ask a broke person, or you shouldn't ask
someone who's broke for financial advice. If you're going to ask for health advice, you should ask a
health expert and not someone who's sick. There are plenty of practitioners out there that are sick,
unfortunately, because they don't actually walk the talk, and I think many of us too are just. We're so
busy. We know that we should be doing the things that we're we're telling our patients or our clients to
do, but we don't have the time or the energy to do them ourselves.
Speaker 1
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Yeah, and I've seen that so many times.
Speaker 2
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Yes.
Speaker 1
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So you mentioned going back a few minutes to, um, we were talking about the cranio sacral therapy that
you do, and you had mentioned infants with digestive problems. And I've always wondered, what can we
do for infants, especially if like, I mean, obviously it can be hard to detect if they have a mental health
issue. But as far as birth trauma goes, that I think that's something that really deeply affects a person as
they become an adult and for the rest of their lives. So what is it that you can do to help a person with
something like birth trauma?
Speaker 2
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So in every case of someone being depressed or anxious or suicidal, I have found a head injury and a lot
of those stem from birth. So they unfortunately, that infant has come into the world through a maybe von
twos or forceps or cesarean. It could even be a delivery that's too fast or too slow. And there's just a
period where the baby's got stuck. And unfortunately, it puts a lot of pressure on the lymphatic system.
And the lymphatic system is what keeps the brain healthy. It's our natural detoxing ability of the brain,
and that's what can get blocked from the trauma. And if that blockage then stays, that area of the brain is
not fully cleaning itself. It's not cleansing, it's not restoring. And that unfortunately lasts the entire
lifetime of that individual. So I would say, I say to people, the best gift you can give your child is to take
them for, uh, cranial sacral therapy or cranial osteopathy because it's worth spending your money whenthey are little, when they're very young, because you could be preventing a lot of chronic ill health and
mental ill health, as well as physical and also spiritual disconnection. You could be preventing these
things by taking your child young enough. Now there are symptoms of the brain being hurt or the trauma.
So if you have a child that is not digesting food properly, so they may well be getting reflux, they might
be constipated, or they might be being really sick, or you've got a baby that isn't latching onto the breast
and is not feeding properly. And then it could be a sleep issue. So the baby is awake more than they're
asleep. Or it could be that the baby is. Is just, um, really unsettled and crying. And the parents just don't
understand why they're so distressed all the time, then through to when they're a little bit older. The child
that seems to be naughty, the one that's kicking and biting and being really disruptive and not listening,
um, and just hard work. You know, all of these signs are that there is something wrong with that child's
brain or the lymphatic system, let's say. And it's it's much better not to overlook those. So generally, if a
child is happy and content and sleeping well and feeding well and digesting well and is getting on with
other children and isn't too emotional, not too shy, not too, you know, not that anxiety that you can see,
um, making friends and just seeming to be quite resilient emotionally. Your child is fine. There's there's
unlikely that your child is going to have any problem at all with their lymphatic system. But how many
people do we know? How many families do we know where their children have got? 1 or 2 of the things
that I've just said, a lot of them. And it just goes to show that, you know, those children, they really are
struggling. And, um, a feeding issue, for example, could actually just be as straightforward as the jaw
needing to be realigned. So I treat a lot of children with cerebral palsy, and they have maybe had a year
of feeding with a tube. They've been unable to eat with their mouth. They've been tube fed. And then the
parents will bring the children to me for me to help them eat better, because they don't want them to rely
upon the tube, or they've recently come from that. Come off the tube and they want them to be able to eat
food better, swallow better, chew the food, and also for it not to be coming out of their mouth and for
them to, um, not take as long to eat. So I had a child that was taking 4.5 hours to feed in a day, and with
one treatment it came down to ten minutes. As soon as the child left the treatment room, they fed the
child in the car because they'd already travelled hours to come, about three hours, I think, to come and
see me. So they needed to feed their child. And they said afterwards that it took ten minutes to feed her. It
never that never happened before. And whenever she comes for a treatment, her feeding always
improves. So she may have had a little setback because she might have been unwell or something's
happened. Um, and every time it's it's amazing the difference it's made. And the main, the main thing I'm
doing really is realigning the jaw, the temporal bone, um, the sphenoid bone. And I'm just, um, aiding the
release of that. And that then helps a child feed. But there's the hypoglycemic nerve as well, from the
base of the skull, because that supplies the tongue. And I don't know how much of it is the nerve to the
tongue, or how much of it is the jaw, because I do the same. I'm working on whatever restriction I find in
the base of the skull, so I'm not sure which one of those is perhaps is both. Um, so I think that answers
the question, doesn't it, about the the babies and the children and.
Speaker 1
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Yeah. And birth trauma particularly. And and I know it can be really difficult to tell, but do you feel that
when you work on children or infants in that way, does that prevent future mental illness?
Speaker 2
[00.29.24]
I would say it does, yes. Yeah, I would say it does to based on what you said, it sounds like that would be
the case because I mean, definitely that if you have any trauma at all, if it goes unresolved, it's going to
develop into something worse. And if anything, you're going to be less resilient and experience more
trauma, and it's going to develop into a more complex issue. And so addressing it early on can really
prevent a lot of further problems. Yeah.
Speaker 1
[00.29.57]Now do you do I know you mentioned how you see people internationally. What does your work look
like when you are doing remote consultations?
Speaker 2
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So remotely. I use bio frequency, which is um, I use a Ayo scan technology, so I use that. That's
incredible. I can explain that in a minute. Um, I work virtually so I can be provided with someone's
medical history, their full history. I usually send a questionnaire before I see any patient. Anyway, um,
which means that I'm really prepared for that consultation, whether it's virtually or under my hands. So
I'm able to work virtually. Not in this. Not in the sense of putting my hands on them to, to kind of
promote the healing response. That's what I use the bio frequency for. The virtual appointments are, um,
still diagnostic or like looking at the differential diagnostic and being able to give advice and suggestions.
Um, and those appointments, again, those can be profound for the, for the patient. They can't necessarily
get to me, but I can offer a lot of support virtually because I can understand where their problem is
stemming from whatever it is. Um, and at least be able to help identify perhaps where the problem lies.
And so how that patient can combat that and how they can live a better, more fulfilled life. The bio
frequency is incredible. It, um, it's technology that analyzes the frequencies within the spoken voice. So a
patient would provide me with about 15 seconds of their voice recording with their height and their
weight, their date of birth and their selfie photograph. And then the technology analyzes 8000
frequencies within the voice, and it picks out from 12 notes. It picks out four notes which are imbalanced.
So three notes which would be producing too much sound, and one note that isn't producing enough
sound. Then it creates the notes for that person to listen to. Which brings a balance, because if the the
usually, then the emotions are imbalanced because of the the spoken voice. We know ourselves don't we,
that you can be in someone's company. You can tell quite a lot from how they're feeling just by how
they're speaking. So this technology, you know, analyzes that. But very deep, very deep analysis of that.
Very technical. Um, it produces an emotional report. And that's fascinating. You can actually read about
yourself from the notes that are spoken in your voice and the music. Then they can listen to every day. It
takes about 12 or 13 minutes. It's something that I do every single morning. I'm committed to that. I
record my voice, listen to the music. And I've experienced so many results from using it myself or from
the patients that I've worked with.
Speaker 1
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That's amazing technology that that makes me want to try it myself.
Speaker 2
[00.33.18]
I'll put that to you as my gift to you for tonight.
Speaker 1
[00.33.23]
Could you theoretically do that with a child as well? Maybe somebody who has yet to speak and like, you
could record maybe an infant crying or. Or does it not quite work that way?
Speaker 2
[00.33.37]
Well, it worked for a lady, um, who had a stroke, and all she could do was make one grunt. That's all she
could create was a grunt. And I used that, and that was enough. And each, every time we did a new
recording, there was another grunt. So the one grunt became 2 or 3 and it was the the noise was enough
and I, I'm because I've got children who suffer a lot of genetic problems and with cerebral palsy theycould be blind and they've got genetic issues. So a lot of the children, they don't speak, but they make
noise. And so the parents record the noise that the child is making. And we we just analyse that. Um, and
it's proving to be really helpful because it's a, you could um, you can see the child where they just are
calm. There's a, there's a calmness about them.
Speaker 1
[00.34.32]
Is this related at all to binaural beats? Or maybe it's maybe it's just how it's processed in the brain and it's
not quite the same therapy. But is it? Would you say it's kind of the same thing?
Speaker 2
[00.34.45]
I think it's similar to that the founder of it is actually in America. It's come from America.
Speaker 1
[00.34.50]
Oh, really? Okay. How long has it been around?
Speaker 2
[00.34.55]
Um, not all that long. But he, the founder, I think. His child, he was able to cure his child, I think. I think
that was cerebral palsy. Um, through bio frequency. And he spent years researching it as well as treating
his child. And then he developed it himself.
Speaker 1
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Do you know if it's effective with people who are deaf?
Speaker 2
[00.35.25]
That I don't know. I haven't I haven't tried it on anybody deaf. Not. I'm not sure.
Speaker 1
[00.35.33]
Yeah. I'd be curious to look at the research for that and see if, um, if there's any benefit, if they can't
perceive that sound consciously.
Speaker 2
[00.35.44]
Yes. Yet I say to parents, you know, if you if your child is asleep still, you know, put the headphones on.
I don't I don't think they necessarily have to be awake because some children, they might not tolerate
having headphones on. So I've said to parents system, whenever the child is comfortable, maybe dozing
or asleep, then take the opportunity and put the headphones on. This particular patient that would only be
able to make a grunting noise. She was um, she had a stroke and she was in hospital and she was given
72 hours to live. And if she did survive, then she wouldn't walk or talk or eat normally again. And I was
in contact with the daughter. So that's how that came about. The daughter was able to play the frequency
music to her mum, who was pretty much just in a hospital bed, not functioning at all. Unable to doanything for herself, she was given literally 72 hours to live. And, um, the music was played to her every
day. For me, it was such an honor to be part of that journey with her. Because I was the one receiving the
voice recording of the mother, and it was incredible to go from one grunt to each recording. There was a
there was more, there was more noise. There was there was more in her voice. And by the end of it,
because she walked out of hospital 111 days later talking normally, being able to eat normally, she
walked out. And of course I was on that journey, but I had a full sentence from her. Then at the end, just
talking normally I felt for me that was such an honour to be in that position, to receive that voice
recording. I was emotional every time I'd received the recording because I could. I could hear this woman
coming back to life and I'm just like, wow, we're not doing anything apart from playing the music. She
did pray the daughter's Christian, so she would sit by her mother's bedside and pray. Um, and I think a
combination of the bio frequency and the prayer, it saved, it saved her life. And so that was she was non-
responsive. The lady who was in the hospital. And it worked for her.
Speaker 1
[00.38.04]
And what about for those who are generally pretty functional? There may be professionals, students,
people who maybe they have some mild depression or anxiety or brain fog. How can that benefit them?
Speaker 2
[00.38.21]
It would benefit them. Yeah. I mean, we we shouldn't really be at a point where we're absolutely
desperate before we seek help. We should really be much more preventative.
Speaker 1
[00.38.32]
It's like I was saying before, how when you are addressing the trauma early on, you're helping to prevent
future trauma by building resilience. And so kind of the same concept here as you.
Speaker 2
[00.38.44]
Yes. You're
Speaker 1
[00.38.46]
treating it before it gets worse.
Speaker 2
[00.38.48]
Yeah. Every single symptom that somebody has is a sign of dysfunction. And unfortunately, people miss
the signs because they think, oh, it's my age. I've been told it's arthritis. I've been told it will get better. Or
my friends and family have the same thing. And it's very easy, I think, to just accept something as hurting
or like I've got some brain fog, but it's fine. It's just what, you know, that's just to be expected at this, this
stage of life. Um, but actually, no, it's not. I think if everybody could listen to their body and have much
more awareness and then take action on something that's persistent, the things that just come and go,
that's fine. But when something really does keep persisting, if you're having headaches, that is not
acceptable. If you're having migraines, it's not acceptable. But people somehow find that it is. They think
that it's okay. And a lot of people, of course, take drugs. They take medicines, pharmaceutical drugs,
which just masks the problem. And actually they're never, ever treating the root cause. And the the
danger is that that becomes a problem, more of a problem. So that person could develop Parkinson's.Could develop dementia. Well, actually, if they'd paid attention, maybe to the brain fog or the chronic
fatigue or the recurrent infections or the migraine, then they may have been able to prevent the worse
problem which is around the corner. And once you get to that point, that's that's hard to come back from.
I mean, I've successfully been treating people with dementia, and that's wonderful because even I don't
even know if I'm going to be able to help. I don't know with anyone if I'm going to be able to help. I just
with every patient, it's a case of I can do my best and let's see what happens. It feels like I can help
because I can feel so much wrong. And then when you've, you know, with a patient who's got dementia,
I'd be thinking, how can I help this person who's got dementia? So they're not have dementia. It seems
like an impossible task. But but it hasn't been. It's been a case of no. Have this patient. You know, having
a couple of treatments has then been able to hold a conversation. They've been able to engage much
better. They've been more present. And with it, um, and more just more emotional, um, and being able to
connect with their family and friends better. And their memory is improving and they can talk better,
better, verbally better. And again, I think, wow, I could have very easily said, no, I don't treat I can't treat
that. And I've had to question myself a number of times as well, whether do I do this or not? Do I think I
can help? But I've learned along my path recently more recently to to if someone's asking me for help,
then to do what I can to help them, because more times than not, it's been either life changing or
massively significant to that person's life. And I could have very nearly said no, because I don't didn't
think, I didn't believe maybe in myself or didn't believe in the patient's ability. And I've been I've learnt
lessons from that because these people have got better.
Speaker 1
[00.42.17]
And that's often how it goes. When we're working to help improve people's health. We can't guarantee
results because everybody's so different.
Speaker 2
[00.42.25]
Yes. And and you were talking about how many of us are either we're not aware or we attribute our our
disease or our Or illness to age. I hear that a lot. By the way, it's oh, it's I have arthritis because I'm
getting older. Yeah, I
Speaker 1
[00.42.44]
have memory problems because I'm getting older. But what I'm also running into is a lot of us don't quite
realize. It took me many years to realize this, but what a lot of us don't realize is what we think is age is
actually the compounding effects of poor lifestyle choices over time. And so quite often say, for instance,
somebody who's in their 20s generally is a pretty healthy person. But that's also usually when they start
engaging in unhealthy habits. And so it catches up to them by the time they're in their 30s, or if they're
lucky, in their 40s, until they start to reverse those bad habits and start engaging in unhealthier activities.
Speaker 2
[00.43.33]
Yeah.
Speaker 1
[00.43.34]
tell us about that?
So kind of switching topics a little bit here. I'm curious about your book called Mental Clarity. Can you
Speaker 2[00.43.44]
Yes. Mental clarity. I published only really recently, in 2024 last year, and there are ten chapters in the
book. It's a self-help book. Uh, the subtitle is Daily Habits to Clear Brain Fog and Improve Focus.
There's a lot of content about what people can do every day to make a difference. And it's not about
affordability, because a lot of the choices people can make is actually to do with their sleep hygiene or
the types of foods that they're eating, or perhaps exercise and they're not exercising or, um, socially
connecting with people or doing brain exercises. And the other aspect of it is the spiritual side. So some
of us would say that the cerebrospinal fluid is the Christ oil. Or if you're not, um, Christian, you would
say, perhaps it's the sacred secretion. If you're spiritual, maybe, but not religious. And so there's that
aspect of it as well, which I cover in my consultations with patients. And I encourage them to think about
their body not just being physical, but actually they are a spiritual being and just talking about, um,
prayer and meditation and breathwork. Breathwork is. It's free and it's so effective of putting somebody
into their parasympathetic. So mostly we live in sympathetic flight fright. We're fearful. We're anxious.
We're stressed. We're overworked. Just totally overwhelmed. And just to be able to come out of that and
go into rest and digest into the parasympathetic system, you can do it for free because you could just
apply breathing techniques and that will stimulate the vagus nerve. And the vagus nerve is what does the
work. So we have the ability to be able to self-heal and repair and rejuvenate, um, by simple things like
going to bed at an early enough time, sleeping seven hours, drinking water, taking anti-inflammatory
foods like, um, walnuts, for example, or walnut oil and berries and fruit and vegetables. Breathing
correctly like breathing from our tummy rather than our upper ribs. So deep belly breathing, um, going
for a walk, exercising, sweating. Because it's important. We need to get rid of toxins. So if we sweat, we
perspire. We we get rid of some of those toxins. Um, so I've touched on a lot of that within the book. And
to be able to help people. Um, recover from what they've got now so that they, they're preventing
dementia, Alzheimer's, severe depression, um, problems that could very easily come about just because
you've got brain fog right now. So actually, if you've got any confusion or slight memory issues, you're
not feeling like you're connecting with people and your decision making isn't very good and you're
procrastinating. You know, these things that you're already noticing about yourself. Then take those
things seriously and start making the effort with your sleep routine and your eating and exercise and the
things that you've just talked about. Um, so the book goes into those sorts of details in the ten chapters.
Speaker 1
[00.47.18]
Great. Yeah. I as a holistic practitioner myself, I often feel conflicted because the things that I'm teaching
people most of the time are things that are free.
Speaker 2
[00.47.30]
Yes. And I've come to the conclusion that the true cost of living in this world is actually free. It's just
that. The social pressures that we have, the professional responsibilities, all these things, consumerism,
all these things are coming together to make us think that the cost of living is so expensive. Health care is
expensive, medicine is expensive. But many of these things, maybe even all of these things you can do
for free. A guest recently told me that something like 95% of podcasts fail within the first few episodes,
and I can see why. Because there is so much time and energy that goes into the production of a show like
this one. If you would like to support me in the production of this podcast, go to Kofi. That's kofi.com
slash. You can pay a couple dollars or you can pay more if that's something you can afford. But either
way, I'm going to continue to produce free content for as long as I possibly can because this information
is so important and I want everybody to be able to access it. Thanks so much for listening. Today
Speaker 1
[00.48.44]
you were talking about breathwork, and I was thinking about my experience in yoga teacher training.
And in yoga we call it pranayama. Yes. And and as part of that training, we had to practice. We practiced
asanas, and we practiced pranayama and meditation every single day for hours at a time. In addition tolearning how to teach others. Right? And I have to say, I felt so great doing that. I was there for 33, 35
days, something like that. We did it every day for over a month, and I felt so healthy just from doing
those things. And granted, I mean, we were doing some nutritional things as well, some Ayurvedic
dietary principles that we were following. And I was curious, do you do anything with nutrition?
Speaker 2
[00.49.38]
Um, I talk about people's diet and I yes, I strongly suggest that my patients are on an anti-inflammatory
diet anti-inflammatory eating plan because if I'm trying to reduce inflammation around the brain, then
they need to help me help them. It is a team effort. It's not just about me helping them, and I really want
them to eat natural anti-inflammatory foods. And again, this doesn't have to be expensive either, because
I suggest making a turmeric latte with just like turmeric, black pepper, cinnamon, ginger, and a non-dairy
milk. And that's potent. That's, you know, it's really good anti-inflammatory that will cross the blood
brain barrier and help reduce inflammation. And walnut oil, just compressed organic walnut oil. It's not
expensive. But you know, having a teaspoon of that every day if you or if you can eat walnuts and
berries. Um, so if we reduce the sugar because sugar is inflammatory, we need to create an alkaline
environment in our body. And so I talk a lot about yeah, a lot about nutrition and supplements. I make
suggestions to patients that they could try supplements. That's also sometimes when I use the bio
frequency scanning because the scan will scan all of the organs. And it also scans for, um, intolerant food
intolerances. Um, it's not just about. Listening to the music. The other side of it is actually a kind of
diagnostic, but not really diagnostic. It's more pointing you in the in the direction of the thinking that this.
It could be this, it could be that rather than it being actually diagnostic, when you've scanned someone a
number of times and the same problem keeps coming up, then you think, well, actually that probably is a
problem. And so I sometimes use that as well to try and understand what's going on, but I use it on
myself more than anybody else. I use it every single day and I look for patterns in myself. And that's how
I decide what supplements I may need or how I should maybe alter my, um, my eating plan as well. But
generally myself, I don't eat. I very rarely eat carbohydrates because I know that carbohydrates are more
inflammatory for us. So I try, um, to have protein and vegetable and salad. I actually, I don't eat meat or
fish. Um, I'm not totally, um, against not having, um, fish because I'll eat fish maybe when I go on
holiday and I know that it's come from the sea, but I'm just really fussy about where the meat and the fish
has come from. So personally, I just thought, I'm being so fussy, I just might as well not eat it. Um, but
then I feel like if I'm by the sea, maybe the fish has been caught in the sea and I'll be happy to eat that.
But that's rare. So generally no meat fish, no very limited carbohydrates. So. So to you, an anti-
inflammatory diet is it sounds like whole foods. Yes.
Speaker 1
[00.52.51]
Um. Low
Speaker 2
[00.52.52]
carb. Yes. Especially.
Speaker 1
[00.52.54]
Especially no sugar.
Speaker 2
[00.52.56]
Yes.Speaker 1
[00.52.57]
Anything else?
Speaker 2
[00.52.58]
Yeah. Uh, the hydration, the water, I think. Okay. Filtering your water because, you know, we can have
more alkaline water if we go and collect it from the spring, then drinking out of the tap. Um, so that's
what I do. I collect spring water from Malvern, and I use a distiller as well. I use distilled water, so I
think water is important to filter it. Um, I think those are the main things.
Speaker 1
[00.53.25]
Okay. Yeah, that's that's consistent with what I would teach to just. Yeah. Whole whole foods, low carb.
It kind of depends on the person and what their individual needs are. But but whole foods for everyone
regardless.
Speaker 2
[00.53.37]
And we need the brain needs fat. Yes. High in lipids. So that's why I was mentioning walnut oil and
omega three EPA because we actually that sort of fish we need the oil. So you find I think with people
who perhaps are on statins, then there's more likely of developing something like the Alzheimer's or
dementia, maybe because of actually they're they're not getting the brain isn't getting enough fat. Don't
don't quote me on that, but I but I think that that is I think that is what they found. Or if you maybe look
at the cardiologist doctor simulator, his work is brilliant on statins. So if I, if I've said anything there
that's not actually accurate. Um, please follow it up. But, um, the brain definitely needs fat. So what we
don't really want is low fat food, because often the low fat food is what's got full of sugar anyway,
Speaker 1
[00.54.32]
right? If it's low fat, it's higher in sugar. It might have some unhealthy fats even. And that's that's what I
see a lot in the United States. We use a lot of vegetable oils, which are just they're rancid fats. They're not
good for our our cells.
Speaker 2
[00.54.48]
They cause inflammation around the brain, don't they? Yes. Crying in the wrong type of fat causes
inflammation of the brain.
Speaker 1
[00.54.56]
Yeah. The omega six fatty acids. Uh, the statistics last I heard were we are getting 20 times more omega
omega six fatty acids than we should. And it's not that omega sixes are necessarily unhealthy, but it's just
so out of balance that it's causing this inflammation. And so we would do well to significantly reduce
those omega sixes and maybe even supplement or just focus on those, those whole food sources of
omega threes to help balance things out a little bit more. And I tell people all the time, the brain is mostlymade of fat and water, which tells us we need to make sure that we are eating healthy sources of fat. In
addition to I know you were talking about drinking water, especially if it's spring water, filtered water,
drink lots of water.
Speaker 2
[00.55.50]
Yeah, at least two litres a day. And it's surprising that people find that that's actually a lot. It's not even
enough. That's just like average. Because if you're exercising and you're perspiring, maybe, you know,
hormonal and you're sweating at night, then, um, you need to drink a lot more than the two liters. It
Speaker 1
[00.56.09]
might vary based on the climate that you're living into. So I live in the desert where we might need to
drink some more.
Speaker 2
[00.56.15]
Yes. Yeah. Also, alcohol and caffeine. I talk about that in the book, but also I think that's, um, to
highlight that, um, if you're drinking coffee, then 25% of the caffeine is still in your brain 12 hours later.
So if you're going to have coffee, it would be better really to have it before 10 a.m.. You know, the 25%
is still actually going to be in the brain when you want to go to sleep. And that's that's not helpful. Um,
and if you're drinking coffee, then you need to drink more water because it's so dehydrating. And then
with alcohol, same alcohol. The brain does not like alcohol. It's alcohol is very bad for the brain. And a
lot of people have addictions to alcohol. And I would say that if someone is drinking too much, then to
definitely address that, because the chances of you then being unwell with a brain related disorder is very
high. If you're drinking a lot of alcohol and not drinking enough water and you're ignoring symptoms,
which often they would be. So yeah, alcohol is, um, inflammatory to the brain. Really doesn't like it. And
also it just creates the body to, um, wake up in the middle of the night because the, the liver is going to be
trying to clear the toxins, which if you think of acupuncture, they say at around 2 a.m., the liver is
working, I think. Um, and so but people know anyway because the number of people that say to me, oh,
yes, I wake up at 2:02 a.m. and I say, well, that's probably because you've been drinking alcohol in the
evening. You do have alcohol, maybe half a glass of wine, but at lunchtime with your meal as opposed to
evening meal and going into the evening, that's the worst time to drink alcohol if you're going to drink it.
Now, I'm not encouraging your listeners to do daytime drinking. Let me just put that out there.
Speaker 1
[00.58.17]
Yeah. And alcohol is a depressant. And and we often tend to use alcohol when we are depressed, which
actually makes it worse. And so it's like you were saying it's not good for the brain at all. It is actually a
toxin. And so if we can't avoid it we probably should.
Speaker 2
[00.58.37]
And I don't drink any alcohol at all. I haven't drank alcohol for years. No alcohol. And that's not
acceptable. Really? So because everyone really, when you're out, they encourage you to have a drink and
they think they look at you very strange. Like you're not drinking. You're at a wedding. Do you not want
some champagne?
Speaker 1
[00.59.00]Um, I guess where I live that it's. It's a blessing because I live in a very religious part of the world where,
yes, we have bars. Yes, people drink alcohol, but it's not as much as you might find elsewhere. And so.
So for us, it's more of a sugar problem. It's a processed food problem. Still inflammatory things. Yeah.
Still things that need to be corrected. Um, but we are coming up on the end of our episode. And so,
Michelle, I just wanted to ask you if there was one thing you could change about the way people
approach health and wellness, what would it be?
Speaker 2
[00.59.41]
Become more aware of the symptoms because that's your body actually communicating with you, and
they are the whispers of your body before they become the screams. So listen more to the body. Have
more awareness and know that you've got the power to change yourself. That you were born with an
innate ability to repair and heal and it is within you. But that also requires you to have self-worth and
know that you're worth more than you think, and that you've got much more ability to be able to combat
the difficulties that you're facing and, um, be more grateful and be kinder, because that also makes a huge
difference when you do acts of kindness and when you show gratitude, even just using the words thank
you is very, very healing.
Speaker 1
[01.00.35]
And one last thing. Where can people find you if they want to work with you,
Speaker 2
[01.00.41]
I'm going to offer a gift to your listeners. And the gift is a free PDF copy of the book, Mental Clarity,
because my purpose is to empower and inspire and educate as many people on earth while I'm here. So I
would like to gift your listeners to the book. The book can be found at Brain Care Expert and my website
and has lots of testimonials. And you can see, um, you could read about patients experiences and that is a
Worcester hyphen osteo. Com and I've recently got a new, um, YouTube channel. And I would love
people to go and look at the videos. I'm making 250 short videos and all of them are to educate, inspire
and empower. And a lot of them are great tips for people. And that is called healing with Michelle Davies.
Speaker 1
[01.01.41]
Great. Thank you so much for being on the show. Michelle I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 2
[01.01.45]
Thank you Cody. This is great to have this platform to be able to reach as many people. So I'm very, very
grateful to you.
Speaker 1
[01.01.53]
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